You don’t deserve to go to the next level until you beat the current one.

In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Siu, entrepreneur, investor, and author of Leveling Up. From esports to business, Eric has turned the lessons of gaming into a powerful framework for growth, resilience, and long-term success. Together, they explore how to reframe pain into fuel, why mindset compounds like interest, and what it truly takes to keep leveling up in life and business.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

• How to turn setbacks and psychological pain into power-ups for growth


• Why focusing on endurance, grit, and long-term bets separates winners from the rest


• The mindset shifts that transform gaming lessons into real world business advantages 

The ultimate game is not business or gaming. It is learning how to keep leveling up every single day.

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Show Notes:

02:39 – How gaming built resilience, teamwork, and skills Eric now applies to business

05:45 – Why gaming, Bitcoin, and other trends are dismissed as “toys” before going mainstream

07:10 – The power of community and how EverQuest shaped Eric’s mindset

08:59 – Defining “power ups” and how habits and mental models fuel growth

13:55 – Why patience and endurance are essential for compounding success

20:48 – Building a brand by teaching, sharing, and learning in public

22:49 – How focus beats shiny object syndrome and leads to faster success

Links & Resources:

• Leveling Up: How to Master the Game of Life by Eric Siu


• Atomic Habits by James Clear


• Naval Ravikant


• Warren Buffett


• Farnam Street – The Knowledge Project Podcast


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  EverQuest and StarCraft
  

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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